[neonkitten]

Hi Folks

I'm new to this site. I've been working in the adult industry for a little under a year editing photos. I have been designing and coding (HTML, CSS, etc) since 1998. My actual industry tattoo has declined with the economy 40-60% so I've been doing some freelance IT work. My most recent gig is for a company that has never had an adult site before and they want to use a White Label service to provide live webcam feed.

My project is to research SEO limitations using While Label. I've never even heard of this before getting the gig so it's all new to me. The site they want to use doesn't say anything on it about SEO limitations for the site that directs clients to the content site. I've emailed the customer services department without much luck. I'm in no way a SEO expert and never held myself out as one to this employer but they seem to think I can figure it out and if I do I get the coding gig after this research part is over.

I'm looking for any pointers on this topic. I appreciate all and any help!

[gonzogone]

welcome neonkitten

glad you found us

I'm a little confused with how you are describing using a white lable solution. Do you have a cam service program picked out already or is that part of the research too? Also sounds like you may be building a site that's more of an affiliate style where you are building your site and linking into the cam site? That's where I'm a bit confused I think... Maybe it's me... been a REALLY long week...

Most white label solutions I've seen don't give you much flexibility on SEO, although I have not looked into cam sites in this area. Need to track down Hony, as she is the resident guru on all things cam site related. I'll see if I can get her attention to this thread.

[neonkitten]

Thanks for replying and for the warm welcome

The folks I'm working for have never had a an adult site but have the domain name Live Strip Show . However, it has not been developed and what is there is just filler. They want to use Video Secrets for the White Label live webcam. They are out sourcing to an IT dev company that is building the site. But you are right the site will not be providing any live content only linking to the affiliate program via videosecrets. They want to make it "seem" as they are providing the content though.

The want only organic SEO and don't want to pay for any ads.

If I can research this enough to satisfy their needs I'll get the SEO coding gig. After that once the site is developed and live I'll be the PT webmaster.

Thanks on referring me to Hony any resident expert's advise is VERY welcome. I am not a SEO adult web cam expert by any stretch of the imagination LOL!

[gonzogone]

I dropped a PM to Hony, so hopefully she will pop into this thread soon. She gets busy and drops out for a while, but was around a few days ago. Good chance she knows the companies you're talking about. Like I said, she is the guru for all things cam related.

For SEO specifics, ask away as well. We've got more than a couple SEO guru geeks around too

[neonkitten]

Thanks! I emailed Hony too

As far as SEO goes I'm mostly following Google's rules and guidelines. Little or no original content - Webmasters/Site owners Help I think the biggest issue is that it's mostly an affiliate site and they will need to provide some unique content. I'm going to suggest a blog of some kind... but not sure what to suggest as for content of the blog. Also suggesting Adult Articles Free article publishing for websites to blog and point back to the site as that should be helpful. I think product reviews/ comparisons would be a good idea too. Plus adding twitter and digg might help some too.

I'm mostly going to be coding the keywords and going to use the typical tools out there to pick which ones will work best for a new site. I've read some things about Bing but don't see putting too much time there since it's so new. The thing is that all of the SEO will be limited by the web cam service and what they will or will not allow. So, until I can get some more info on that I'm holding off on doing too much with keywords.

My concern is that they seem to think they will make a ton of money as soon as the site goes live. Neither person I interviewed with had worked in the adult internet world before and only one had IT background. So, they may have unrealistic expectations and I'd like to point them at an article to explain how SEO works. They are investing quite a bit of money to have the site developed and I think they want a high return fast.

Thanks again for your help

[gonzogone]

Originally Posted by neonkitten

My concern is that they seem to think they will make a ton of money as soon as the site goes live. Neither person I interviewed with had worked in the adult internet world before and only one had IT background. So, they may have unrealistic expectations and I'd like to point them at an article to explain how SEO works. They are investing quite a bit of money to have the site developed and I think they want a high return fast.

if that's the case, then they do have unrealistic expectations for a new site and a first time venture into adult... especially if they only want to work with organic SEO and no ads. Going to take time to get the site indexed initially and then have any chance to start pulling enough traffic to get any serious money back.

All of the concepts you mentioned will help get traffic to the site, but they only do so much each. Cams can be competitive, so ranking in the SERPs may take some effort unless you find a niche that is under represented.

Honestly, I might be a bit on the nervous side about taking on the gig with those types of expectations, unless the people involved are both nice and reasonable. If you can clue them in that SEO takes time, as does getting your $$ back on a first time venture, then maybe not as nervous.

[neonkitten]

Yeah, I have my concerns too. Thankfully it's only a freelance gig that I'm only committed to for 20 hours and then I'm done. I may or may not take on the SEO coding freelance gig as they are only paying me $15/ hr. However, with that said I do like to provide the best service while I am working for a company.

I agree with you that unreasonable expectation may be a huge hurdle to overcome but who knows they may take the news better than I expect. They both seem nice though unknowing of the industry and a bit cheap. The are going with the typical niches youngish (over 18) gals, cougars and shemales. I agree that web cam is very competitive and they may not really know what they are getting into.

Just from talking with my tattoo clients over the years I have been told that gay male porn is actually more lucrative than females. But both folks I freelance for don't want to do that. I have no idea why LOL!

Thanks again for being so kind and supportive of my ventures into web cam SEO.

[gonzogone]

sounds like you've got your bases covered Hope it all works out for a continuing gig for you.

GayStoryMan could likely give some insight into the gay cam market. I think he pushes a few of them on his sites.

[Tigger]

Honestly, I might be a bit on the nervous side about taking on the gig with those types of expectations, unless the people involved are both nice and reasonable. If you can clue them in that SEO takes time, as does getting your $$ back on a first time venture, then maybe not as nervous.

that just about sums it up for me, walk away from these guys as it sounds to me like there expectations are way off mark, not unless they are going to buy traffic using adwords, which anyone will tell you is an expensive road and with conversion rates won't be cost effective

Oh sorry welcome BTW

Re White label & SEO

the two really don't go hand in hand, after all the affiliate side of things is just to process the sale after you send the traffic from your site and I work with a couple of white label products and all the traffic is generated from my site not the affiliate, so I'm at a little bit of a loss as to why you are looking into the SEO side of the affiliate, or am I missing something

[neonkitten]

Hi Tiger! I hope to travel to Spain this winter it's where my family came from.

I SO hear you on the expectation with organiic searchs only and not wanting to pay. But this is not my choice I'm just the grunt! I'll re-evaluate after this 1st gig and see if I want to go further. I'm much rather be tattooing but since the economy here isn't that great I'm not getting the work I used to get. Oh well that is life.

In regardes to the SEO and white label... they want to know about SEO for their page not the affiliate site. How to drive more traffic to them so they can drive more traffic to the affiliate. I'm mostly trying to sort this out because this is what I was told to do LOL!

Thanks for the help!

[Tigger]

hope to travel to Spain this winter it's where my family came from.

what part - we are between Valencia - Alicante on the coast

sounds like you are going to have fun with these guys, I'd start running now LOL

SEOing the entry pages / site is pretty standard stuff once you have the basics like understanding site structure not over optimising pages and how to gain quality links once you have those basics then its pretty easy going, getting it ranking is another thing

[neonkitten]

I'm 5th generation in LA... my family were part of the Spanish Land Grant families that settled Los Angeles (Ortiz is the family name.) Unfortunately, we lost touch with the Spanish roots and even language and nobody alive seems to know anything. I've been told that I would love Valencia. I am a fan of travel shows and all the ones on Spain are just amazing!!!! Spain On the Road again Spain - On The Road Again and Made in Spain Jose Made In Spain make me want to move there. It is SO much like CA!!! And the food looks too good to be true!

Yeah, I'm wondering how long this IT gig will last... after my initial research it seems they don't know much and at the pay rate I'm getting it's tedious work at best. I've got other irons in the fire so things will improve.

Good to know that the entry page doesn't have any limitations as to SEO within a White Label situation.I know the basic SEO methods and have a good grasp of what is needed plus I'm reading up some more. I agree page ranking will be the hardest issue especially with organic SEO only. But that is the framework I've been given to work in.

Thanks again for any help and suggestions

[gonzogone]

so while you're doing all this research for the initial gig, and you have solid experience in the field, and you're looking for additional income streams... do you have any sites of your own? Maybe take a little time to work on things for yourself as well and build up other income sources

The initial pay is even worse than what the cam people will pay, but the longer term potential is far better!

[neonkitten]

That is the plan... I've got a solid client base in tattoo... I've been at it for over 11 years now. This is my site Malu Tattoo (I've been developing it since 1998) and I'm on myspace and facebook, etc. This SEO gig has been helpful in updating me to SEO issues that I can use on my site! I'll be glad when things pick up as I make $175hr at tattoo.

However, when the economy is down and people are making choices to pay bills or get a tattoo, bills usually win. Things are starting to pick up slowly. My biggest concern at this point is making enough cash to keep from loosing my house! It's been a VERY tight year and I've used up most of my savings.

But I'm a smart gal with multiple degrees and options. Earlier this year I was encouraged by a friend/ client in IT to go that route but it's been slim picking in this economy. I recently passed the notary exam and have a friend who has a business I can work for doing loan sigings as a traveling notary. I just need to get through the next 6 weeks before the background check is completed and I get my commission. Like I said I've got many irons in the fire.

Thanks for the words of encouragement! It's really appreciated

[Tigger]

Valencia is a great city, just NOT one to drive around

why not combine your love for tattoos & the adult ind and build a alt porn site using tattooed girls ? theres loads of sponsors with this content or if you wanted to could go down the vod route