[Tigger]

I had a bit of spam from aebn pushing there new partnership with gunzblazing offering gay/shemale content and as I run a couple of shemale sites thought I'd take a peep.

What did surprise me is one of the shemale sites I clicked on the guys were all using condoms then next site was a bareback shemale site and whilst I know its not PC (and Ian will kill me) I found the bareback site far more interesting and "if" I was to join a paid site thats the route I would go

Do you think the use of condoms in porn kills or improves conversions ?

[jim911]

If it helps as a consumer or pervert whichever you prefer
I would prefer watching bareback over condoms which is probably
why I like to search out Retro Porn and I'm actually finding stuff I saw on 8mm

[Tigger]

you really have to look out retro old stuff? when reviewing videos most of the films I see hardly every use a condom in fact I was shocked a few days ago when watching a Marc Dorcel video and all the fucking scenes had the guys wearing condoms..........but he's French so I rest my case

[jello]

Originally Posted by Tigger

you really have to look out retro old stuff? when reviewing videos most of the films I see hardly every use a condom in fact I was shocked a few days ago when watching a Marc Dorcel video and all the fucking scenes had the guys wearing condoms.........

Originally Posted by Tigger

.but he's French so I rest my case

That`s what i mean most modern porn is without condom

[Gaystoryman]

Tigs, over in the Gay Market, use of condoms has been very prominent, since the outbreak of AIDS so many years ago, for obvious reasons. Less so in the Straight Market, due to the misconception that AIDS was not transferable to women.

Today bareback porn has risen, mainly due to the wonder drugs that are out there, that basically no longer make AIDS a quick killer.

While like birth control pills, condoms are not a 100% guarantee, at any time, of being bullet proof, and yet too, the entire industry seems to have completely ignored the other reasons for safer sex, which is why STD's have risen to epidemic proportions among the general population. And still, porn is being produced that is unsafe for the actors, and helps foster a denial in the consumer.

It is also a highly volotile issue on the Gay side, and yet many studios produce bareback sex.

[Tigger]

is not just they catering to what the mass want ?

I added a bareback term to one of my sites and inside a few weeks its become the top term and thats a contacts site!!

[Gaystoryman]

Yes and No. After all, we all know how marketing works, you make people THINK they need something, and that YOUR SOMETHING is better than anyone's elses.

It is a myth that condoms are less sensitive, and yet many actually believe it, because well, that's how sex has been marketed for eons.

[Tigger]

but the real question - does condoms in porn help or harm conversions, I think harm.

Perhaps in the gay market its more accepted that the guys will use condoms but its a market I've not had a lot of involvement within

[Gaystoryman]

From what I have seen, in the straight market it harms conversions. On the gay side, its maybe a 50/50 type thing. There are many who simply will not promote a bareback site, for moral grounds or such, mainly due to most older gay men, know many who were taken in the aids epidemic of the seventies.

however it does beg the question, why more straight porn doesn't promote safer sex. STD's can be silent killers as well, but that's another topic.

bottom line, from what i've seen, heard, condom use in straight porn, harms conversions. On the gay side, it has less of an impact, though bareback porn and retro porn does very very well. but so does condom sites.

[Tigger]

however it does beg the question, why more straight porn doesn't promote safer sex. STD's can be silent killers as well, but that's another topic.

suppose bareback = sales

[housekeeper]

This is a topic that gets discussed and discussed again, my feelings are split personally and professionally. There was a brief time socially where the post aids generation knew nothing but using condoms, now it seems like that sentiment has passed, as well as a social conciousness towards aids and std's.

With respect to Tiggers original observations, I'd say there is a very big difference between the attitude (or morals) concerning straight porn and gay porn. The gunblazing site you mention sells itself exclusing as a barback/bang site, but it is not the only one within' the transgendered market.

T-girls will always be inclined to work bareback because there is an increase in their pay, plus going bareback in porn is not the first time they've had sex raw. I worked with a girl who was breaking into the industry and she swore up and down the block that the two things she would never do would be bareback and a facial. After here first tour through LA she did two bareback scenes in the course of one week, then later filmed two facials, one from another tranny and one from the top stud in porn. I don't see it as safe at all, they think a 30 day AIM test will protect them, however these queens also work as escorts when on the road, so you're also adding a lot of body fluids thrown into the mix during the time of their shoots. Barebacking in gay porn doesn't sit well with me at all, and I don't think it sends a good message.

Now, my professional feeling and as someone who films sex scenes, I would film bareback scenes and yes, there is no question that is what consumers want. Men are generally irresponsible and so many men that are visiting tranny prostitutes are not afraid to go bareback, gladly willing to pay more, and they also LOVE to have the girls cum on their face. Big time danger in that, you mean to tell me you're willing to exchange body fluids wth someone that just had unprotected sex in a porn movie with a stud that has already done 2-3 bareback scenes that same day.

As far as traffic or key word density, I don't see an overwhelming difference with promoting bareback versus simply promoting the girls or sites. Though consumers definitely want to see that, and though porn represents the fantasy and not necessarily the reality, it is still humans taking risks...

[Tigger]

but isn't the porn industry just about trying to fulfill guys fantasies hence their need to see bareback sex? after all they may think they want bareback but when it comes to the crunch the big head takes over what the little head is doing - or not

[Gaystoryman]

Originally Posted by Tigger

but isn't the porn industry just about trying to fulfill guys fantasies hence their need to see bareback sex? after all they may think they want bareback but when it comes to the crunch the big head takes over what the little head is doing - or not

obviously been ages since you have had the little guy out, but rarely does the big head take over from what the little head is wanting... that's why women call men pigs

[housekeeper]

Originally Posted by Gaystoryman

rarely does the big head take over from what the little head is wanting...

And that is what a good marketeer does, to actually get the stiffie to reach for the wallet, not the other head that is saying "can I afford this?", "maybe I'll come back later", etc.

With deference to condomess sex scene, I would have to say there is a miniscule amount of porn purveyors who will reject watching porn scenes that use condoms, there's far to much sexy that gones on before that..

[Tigger]

Originally Posted by Gaystoryman

obviously been ages since you have had the little guy out, but rarely does the big head take over from what the little head is wanting... that's why women call men pigs

I don't have to worry about either head thinking for itself, I'm married so the wife makes my decisions