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Tigger · 10-29-2009, 12:46 PM

I've been promoting vod (aebn) for some years and looking at my traffic levels they've held pretty steady, but what I am seeing is a massive drop in new member sign ups and whilst my income has slipped a bit fortunately the members I do have are holding my income steady, but thats not going to last

When you have companies like Brazzers thats running some of the biggest tubes with full length movies on, what chance does the VOD affiliate model have

Are we going to be in a situation soon (within a couple of years) where the internet is going to have so much free porn people just won't pay for it ??

Itchy · 01:20 PM

There will always be people that buy online porn

Tube's still have crap for quality

housekeeper · 10-29-2009, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Tigger

When you have companies like Brazzers thats running some of the biggest tubes with full length movies on, what chance does the VOD affiliate model have

Are we going to be in a situation soon (within a couple of years) where the internet is going to have so much free porn people just won't pay for it ??

There's an old adage, "why buy the cow when the milk is free"... I'l venture a guess to say the our theatre's are surviving due to the customer being able to select their download type, and the abilitiy to save in whatever format. As soon as those surfers get hip to which software saves .flv files, our theatres will become even more obsolete..

Or in another case scenario, those nice theatre members fall into the wrong crowd and start getting the good quality pirated movies through the file sharing groups. Either way the future is bleak...

gonzogone · 10-29-2009, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Itchy

There will always be people that buy online porn

Tube's still have crap for quality

I'm with you on that one Itchy - but I'm not sure how long that aspect will last. Hopefully for a good long while. Even when tube sites get better quality, I think there will be different style markets for different style interests. VOD sites will still do ok, but tube sites will absorb some of the market.

Just end up being one more area we'll have to figure out how to adapt and diversify

Tigger · 10-30-2009, 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Itchy

There will always be people that buy online porn

Tube's still have crap for quality

I would like to agree with you Itch, but if you look at pornhub / redtube you'll see the quality is far from poor, also I think the guys that stream porn to get off almost except the level of quality they will get from streaming but so long as the end result is what they want I don't think quality is there concern

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I'l venture a guess to say the our theatre's are surviving due to the customer being able to select their download type, and the abilitiy to save in whatever format.

choice !!! its about the only thing thats holding some sales I think, question is how long will that keep the punters happy when they know on pornhub they can get the video for free

jello · 10-30-2009, 07:48 AM

Like Housekeeper said the future is bleak
But if there`s so much free porn, eventually no one is interested in making porn simply because they`re not really making any money from it anymore.
And then there`s nothing more to copy

housekeeper · 10:55 AM

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figure out how to adapt and diversify

Ah! Now there's a novel idea, give this man a cigar!

How far back in time do you think that concept goes, survival of the fittest I always say. The conundrum here is clearly the fact that porn is always going to be popular in the extreme, how could it not be. But will independent perverts like us be able to continually profite from it, that is certainly in question. Now that's where the gaurantee ends, take into scope how long it's been since the very first person made $ on a product he had no involvement in with respect to production or distribution or funding. We're all riding the coat-tails of production companies and performers, with the exception of those of us that produce our own content.

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But if there`s so much free porn, eventually no one is interested in making porn simply because they`re not really making any money from it anymore.

A thought I've pondered for quite some time now, the production costs have to justify the wholesale and retail profits, and beyond. As sure as every 11-12 year old gets his first boner (mine happened at 7), they're going to need something to get off to (and some good lube), and one thing you can best be sure of, it's the screen queen or erotic icon that will get the juice. The popularity of adult entertainment is who is new, who is hot, and who is the next starlet, I don't see anything changing in that regard. Remember, a paysite is only as good as it next update...

But it's not simply porn, today's culture expects everything for free, or at least a discounted rate. Very few things have monetary value, at least from people's perspective, and it's the very means by which we were able to profit (computers/internet) that is perpectuating that thinking.

But let's cast our view toward student4ever's profound wisdom, as this concept has been prevelant throughout time in entertainment, in every genre. Sitting whining and crying will result in negative progress and prosperity, in any field or endeavor...

Gaystoryman · 10-30-2009, 11:14 AM

While I agree, we need to adapt and diversify, we also need to be proactive in opposing the free tube/torrent sites. As an Industry, we are sorely lacking in going after copyright infringement, which really is what these tube sites are.

The Record/Movie Industry have banned together, to fight it, but we still have sponsors who actually provide full length content to them, and then we expect the affiliate, and sponsor, to make the same sales. It's crazy really.

It just seems, in this industry especially, that we do a lot of moaning about how tough it is to make a sale, then we go out of our way to give away tons of freebies. I remember when first starting out, how hard it was to get even one picture out of a sponsor, now you can get whole sets, plus videos.

housekeeper · 10-30-2009, 11:24 AM

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It just seems, in this industry especially, that we do a lot of moaning about how tough it is to make a sale, then we go out of our way to give away tons of freebies. I remember when first starting out, how hard it was to get even one picture out of a sponsor, now you can get whole sets, plus videos.

Excellent point indeed, and part of that problem exists in giving away zip download of photo sets, and downloadable video. We're weak as webmasters because we want to make the consumer happy, if all the other sites are offering zips and downloads, we don't want to run the risk of loosing customers because we are not.

If any of us had the cajones to offer only .flv or DRM protected video's, and no zip photo galleries, you'd see changes to be sure. As far as banding together as an industry, hmm, now that's a tough one, getting a bunch of people on the same page and embarking on a costly endeavor to rid the industry of the scurge of corruption.....we'll see..

Tigger · 10-30-2009, 11:28 AM

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Ah! Now there's a novel idea, give this man a cigar!

whilst I would love to give Brent one..........thats a cigar that is, how can you adapt and diversify the affiliate model ?

We have a the affiliate product and the sales tools to market that product and how ever we go about pulling the traffic by either promoting the theater directly, reviews on videos, or content with stories as Ian tends to work the bottom line is we are sending traffic to a model that involves people paying when they can get the same for free.

True the only thing we can rely on is the little head controlling the big head so you hope once you get the guy to that stage (the theater) he will hit the buy button, but theirs a lot of if's and maybe's thrown in their

VoyGeorge · 10-30-2009, 11:34 AM

If the tubes are streaming their own content or have secured rights to it so there's little we can do. We can oppose tubes all we want but if their business model allows them to give content away and still make money with advertising or ads for non-pay sites (dating, penis pills, etc.) they have every right to conduct their business as long as they do so legally.

I'm not condoning tubes, and many allow copyrighted material to be posted by "members" but fighting that will be an uphill battle we'll never win. Those that want to play the DMCA game know how to skirt the law (because DMCA allows them to), and then there are all the tubes hosted and owned outside the US where the DMCA doesn't apply anyway.

For VOD I think the best approach is to specialize, which is neither adapting nor diversifying! True, you need to find those niches that are popular with the punters but not overexposed on the tubes, but it *can* work. What might be called "mainstream porn," either straight or gay, is so widely available on the tubes it simply makes no sense to push that kind of content.

Tiggs, I think what you might be seeing can also be attributed to saturation. AEBN (and to some extent Hotmovies) is now so commonly pushed by WM's it's getting harder to find fresh blood. The newer any VOD program the more likely you'll get new signups, because they won't have already signed up under another WM. As we know, VOD signups are for life, or at least the life of their e-mail address.

Tigger · 10-30-2009, 11:41 AM

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If the tubes are streaming their own content or have secured rights to it so there's little we can do. We can oppose tubes all we want but if their business model allows them to give content away and still make money with advertising or ads for non-pay sites (dating, penis pills, etc.) they have every right to conduct their business as long as they do so legally.

agree lets face it thats how the Brazzer model is working they are giving away there own films on the back of dating / pills that we have no way of competing against

I'm with you on the on the specialised sites ( although spelled correctly

) the only real forward is the niche, if not micro niche then you have a chance and from what I'm seeing its the only way I'm pulling sales right now, other than the members I gained when VOD was still new